The CHURCH AGE is OVER
There is NO RAPTURE!
I believe Jesus weeps because His Church focuses more on
ESCAPING than sowing the seeds that will bring others
Salvation, walking and living the Life He came to bring,
and focusing on what the LORD WISHES.
It should NOT matter what any person or church believes about RAPTURE,
this should never be the focus. It is sealed information.
The devil has taken our eyes off our Lord!
There is NO RAPTURE!
The time of TRIBULATION is at hand - now.
We need to be RIGHT WITH GOD to be SAFE.
He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him,
even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth
will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelation 1:7
The DAY of the LORD is the Day of Clouds.
The Day of the Lord is a window of time, when the clouds cover the earth.
This is when the Lord's ships will sail. Will Jesus Christ reign over the earth
from the clouds during the Day of the Clouds?
The following verses sure makes it look as if we will go thru the Tribulation.
Therefore if you wish to be PROTECTED, you need to be in COVENANT with the LORD.
Zephaniah 1:15
A day of wrath is that day, A day of trouble and distress,
A day of destruction and desolation, A day of darkness
and gloom, A day of clouds and thick darkness
Joel 2:1-2
Blow a trumpet in Zion, And sound an alarm on My holy mountain!
Let all the inhabitants of the land tremble, For the day of the Lord is coming;
Surely it is near, a day of darkness and gloom, a day of clouds and thick darkness.
As the dawn is spread over the mountains, So there is a great and mighty people;
There has never been anything like it, Nor will there be
again after it To the years of many generations.
Matthew 24:29-31
Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days
the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light,
and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and
then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man
coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.
And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together
His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
The Rapture Issue
By Oregon Pastor Peter DePaoli:
The RAPTURE issue, 2 pages :
Immanency or Expectancy. Two very long words to answer a very short time span. So short it is in the twinkling of an eye.
Immanency Has come to mean in pre-tribulation circles that the second coming of Christ would come at any moment and usher in the seven-year period of tribulation.
Believers would have their “rapture tickets” and be caught up with deceased believers and never have to go through tough times that are prophesied to come upon the earth.
Also, that no prophesied event must occur before Christ’s return. They also believe that the Day of the Lord commences with the rapture of the church.
Expectancy. Many believers in the early church had expectancy that Christ would return in their lifetime.
The personal pronoun we, “we who are alive and remain (1Thess 4:13-15); the adjective our “our gathering together unto Him” (2Thess 2:1-2)
all demonstrate the expectancy of each generation that Christ could return in his lifetime – which became a catalyst for holy living.
By looking at the Old Testament description of the Day of the Lord along with making a comparison of the
Seal Judgments in the Book of Revelation with the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24,
we will answer the questions of the apostles of “what shall be the Sign of the Coming and the End of the Age?”
We will close by reading what the apostles understood Jesus to say as we read through the Didache, the teachings of the twelve apostles.
The Day of the Lord. Pre-trib assumes that the Day of the Lord is equivalent to the start of Daniel’s 7th week (tribulation).
Yet the following scriptures point to cosmic disturbances tied to a certain Seal in the Book of Revelation.
Isaiah 13:9-10 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Isaiah 34: 4, 8 And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine,
and as a falling [fig] from the fig tree. (v8 ) For [it is] the day of the LORD'S vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.
Joel 2:10-11 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp [is] very great: for [he is] strong that executeth his word:
for the day of the LORD [is] great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Joel 2: 30-31 And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the LORD come.
Joel 3: 14-15 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD [is] near in the valley of decision.
The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.
Acts 2: 19-20 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
When do these cosmic disturbances occur in relation to the Day of the Lord? Joel 2:31; Acts 2:20 (above) Before the great and terrible/notable day of the Lord
If the Rapture occurs at the Day of the Lord and the Day of the Lord must be preceded by cosmic disturbance,
what happens to the view of immanence held by the pre-tribers?
It invalidates It.
What comes first, cosmic disturbances or the Great Tribulation? Cosmic disturbances
Matt. 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mark 13:24-25 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Luke 21:25-26 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
What is the timing of the Day of the Lord in relation to the Great Tribulation? Before or After
Which seal in Revelation 6 describes the cosmic disturbances? Sixth
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Who is the author of the Book of Revelation? Jesus .
Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass;
and he sent and signified [it] by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.
Who is the “author” of the Olivet Discourse? Jesus .
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Note the parallels to the seals in Revelation and the events in the Olivet Discourse.
SEALS EVENTS
Rev 6:1-2 Then I saw when the Lamb broke one of the seven seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying as with a voice of thunder, "Come."
I looked, and behold, a white horse, and he who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.
Matt 24:4-5 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Rev 6:3-4 When He broke the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, "Come."
And another, a red horse, went out; and to him who sat on it, it was granted to take peace from the earth,
and that {men} would slay one another; and a great sword was given to him.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Rev 6: 5-6 When He broke the third seal, I heard the third living creature saying, "Come."
I looked, and behold, a black horse; and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand.
And I heard {something} like a voice in the center of the four living creatures saying,
"A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not damage the oil and the wine."
Matt. 24:7a For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Rev 6: 7-8 When the Lamb broke the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, "Come."
I looked, and behold, an ashen horse; and he who sat on it had the name Death; and Hades was following with him.
Authority was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword and with famine and with pestilence and by the wild beasts of the earth.
Matt. 24: 7b and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Rev 6: 9-11 When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and
because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying,
"How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?"
Matt. 24: 9-22 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
And [b]because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come[/b].
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Rev. 6: 12-17 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth {made} of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind.
The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man
hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; and they said to the mountains and to the rocks,
"Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?"
Matt. 24: 29-30 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken.
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn,
and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Rev. 8:1-6 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and seven trumpets were given to them.
Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a golden censer; and much incense was given to him,
so that he might add it to the prayers of all the saints on the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense, with the prayers of the saints, went up before God out of the angel's hand.
Then the angel took the censer and filled it with the fire of the altar, and threw it to the earth;
and there followed peals of thunder and sounds and flashes of lightning and an earthquake.
And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.
What did the Lord call the first through fourth events? Birth pangs
Matt. 24:8 But all these things are merely the beginning of birth pangs.
What was the fifth event? Great Tribulation
Matt. 24:21 For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will.
What are believers to do and expect when they see cosmic disturbances? Lift up head, redemption is near
Luke 21:28 "But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near."
1 Thess. 5:9 says God did not appoint us to wrath. Pre-tribers hold that the seals are God’s wrath. Are the first six seals God’s wrath or man’s wrath? Man’s
When is the seventh seal opened? After the tribulation
Rev 7:1-17 is about the remnant of Israel, the 144,000 and the multitude from the Tribulation
Rev 8:1 When the Lamb broke the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.
What does it usher in? God’s wrath/ Trumpet judgments
When does God’s wrath fall on the earth? At the seventh seal, at the first trumpet
What sign indicates the catching away of the saints? The trumpet of God
1 Thess. 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
What sign happens with the seventh seal? They sound the trumpets
Rev 8:6 And the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound them.
Are believers on the earth when God’s wrath falls? NO!
Panorama
Four rapture views illustrated.
Fill out time-table for pre-wrath illustration.
Read Didache (what the apostles thought about the timing of Christ’s return.
Panorama view of end times.
DIDACHE -
It is a manual of instruction written by the apostles for the gentile Christian community. It was written between 80AD and 120 AD.
It was mentioned by the early Church fathers including Eusebius in 324AD. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church calls the Didache a broader cannon.
It was discovered in 1873 in Greece and estimated to be written in 1053 AD, which is 70 years before the Dead Sea Scrolls.
It is in three sections: Chapters 1-6, Way of life and way of death; chapters 7-10,
Rituals such as baptism and communion; chapters 11-15, ministry dealings; chapter 16 end times.
It is similar to Matthew in words, phrases and motifs. It gives pre-baptismal instruction.
It includes a Trinitarian formula in Didache 7 that is in line with Matthew 28:19 as well as the Lords prayer which is in Did 8 and Matt 6:5-13.
Chapter 16 Watchfulness; The Coming of the Lord
1 Watch for your life's sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ready, for you know not the hour in which our Lord comes. Matthew 24:42
2 But often shall you come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if you be not made perfect in the last time.
3 For in the last days false prophets and corrupters shall be multiplied, and the sheep shall be turned into wolves, and love shall be turned into hate; Matthew 24:11-12
4 for when lawlessness increases, they shall hate and persecute and betray one another,
Matthew 24:10 and then shall appear the world-deceiver as the Son of God, and shall do signs and wonders, and the earth shall be delivered into his hands,
and he shall do iniquitous things which have never yet come to pass since the beginning.
5 Then shall the creation of men come into the fire of trial, and many shall be made to stumble and shall perish;
but [color=blue]they that endure in their faith shall be saved[/color] from under the curse itself.
6 And then shall appear the signs of the truth; first, the sign of an out-spreading in heaven;
then the sign of the sound of the trumpet; and the third, the resurrection of the dead;
7 yet not of all, but as it is said: The Lord shall come and all His saints with Him.
8 Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven.
The subject of the RAPTURE is so TOXIC it can kill.
People are so locked into their own theology it poisons friendships.
That is actually a form of IDOLATRY. Remember - the SIN is in the word 'FOCUS'.
Hanging on to ESCAPING is actually avoiding the RESPONSIBILITY Jesus has given us.
FOCUS on a rapture is TOXIC to the Church, the Body of Christ.
DO NOT WORSHIP YOUR DENOMINATION!
That is idolatry! COME OUT of her - The Church
We can only leave it - we can NOT fix it.
There is NO RAPTURE!
IF YOU ARE FOCUSED ON a RAPTURE, YOU WILL DIE!
Things happen in the spirit realm
BEFORE we see them in the natural.
Tim LaHaye's Timeline shows a pre-tribulation RAPTURE.
I have come to doubt this. I am not alone.
The Bible is NOT clear, except on ONE thing
JESUS CHRIST is RETURNING!!
I have seen satan, the devil, appear to win, time after time in the last year or so.
Every time I ask the LORD - WHY? His only response has been 'IT's HIS TIME'.
The Church Age is Over
I heard these two messages on the radio.
LIES!
1. Ananias and Sapphira LIED and the Holy Spirit killed them.
The preacher said the REASON God killed them is because
they LIED, and God hates lies and deceit.
Also because the Church Age was just beginning,
in its infancy, and its purity had to be preserved
2. This preacher mentioned the Revelation where we find one of
the 3 woes after the 4th trumpet is the abyss, from which come
horrible creatures like locusts (grasshoppers) which will torment
men. He mentioned the seals in Revelation, and seemed to think
the first seal is the antichrist. Revelation says 'a star' fell
which he said is an angel. He said Revelation is chronological
I've heard others say its panoramic
John sees much all at once, and he is overwhelmed,
he just describes what he sees and it is not sequential.
I have believed since 1999 that the 4 horsemen of the APOCALYPSE
(seals of Revelation)
have already ridden thru the earth. The judgments of God which
they dispense increase, and they ride all thru the tribulation.
For years I've heard people say This is the worst (whatever)
Either everyone's insane and exaggerating, or we are in the
birth pangs of the Tribulation.
'Angel of Death' by Duncan
CALL MY CHURCH to ORDER!!
OH LORD, IN YOUR RIGHTEOUS JUDGEMENTS,
REMEMBER MERCY!
JUDGEMENT HAS ALREADY BEGUN on EARTH and on AMERICA.
HER SINS ARE GREAT and the BLOOD of the BABIES SLAUGHTERED
IN THE WOMB CRY OUT TO HIM.
Storms, tornadoes, earthquakes, hurricanes, droughts,
floods, plagues - these are how GOD judges. Yes, He stepped
aside September 11, 2001 and let America be attacked.
America does not want GOD in thier laws. Sad. Scary.
I figure the entire antichrist system including the
cashless society (666 mark) is in place. In all probability,
this will forbid speaking against the sin of homosex.
This is true in the UK now - it is illegal to quote scripture
condemning this abomination. In fact, I've seen articles the
BIBLE IS BANNED IN BRITTAIN. The antichrist is about to step
onto the world stage. HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.
The LORDS says
The CHURCH AGE is OVER!
Then the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven
which had fallen to the earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him.
He opened the bottomless pit, and smoke went up out of the pit, like the smoke of a
great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke of the pit.
Then out of the smoke came locusts upon the earth, and power was given them,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
They were told not to hurt the grass of the earth, nor any
green thing, nor any tree, but only the men who do not have the
seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not permitted to
kill anyone, but to torment for 5 months; and their torment was
like the torment of a scorpion when it stings a man. And in
those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will
long to die, and death flees from them.
The appearance of the locusts was like horses prepared for
battle; and on their heads appeared to be crowns like gold,
and their faces were like the faces of men. They had hair like
the hair of women, and their teeth were like the teeth of lions.
They had breastplates like breastplates of iron; and the sound
of their wings was like the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to battle.
These two look very similar, so I put them together here.
The locusts can hurt but not KILL., the horses KILL
Revelation 9:10
They have tails like scorpions, and stings; and in their
tails is their power to hurt men for five months.
Revelation 9:19
For the power of the horses is in their mouths and in their tails;
for their tails are like serpents and have heads, and with them they do harm.
Revelation 9:11
They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss;
his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has
the name Apollyon (Destroyer)
The first woe is past; behold, two woes are still coming
after these things. - Revelation 9:1-12
TRAGIC, passages repeatedly end with
The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues,
did not repent of the works of their hands, so as not to
worship demons, and the idols of gold and of silver and of
brass and of stone and of wood, which can neither see
nor hear nor walk; and they did not repent of their
murders nor of their sorceries nor of their immorality
nor of their thefts. Revelation 9:20-21
JUDGMENT is MERCY!
God's judgments are His mercy.
They are supposed to drive people to REPENT, not scoff.
So many speak of cheap grace and intentionally
SIN day after day, calling themselves christian.
This is taking the LORD's Name in vain!
SITE INDEX Pages
The RAPTURE issue issue debate, 2 pages :
America under judgment: Site Index
BIBLE STUDIES:
Encouraging Writings:
ISRAEL in PROPHECY:
The Pipeline of Hatred : Good video!! click here
ONLY SALVATION, SAFETY:
APOCALYPSE: The Revelation of Messiah
The POPE is the BEAST in Revelation, Duduman:
A Great California Earthquake coming, Michael Boldea dream December 2005:
SPIRITUAL GIFTS:Teaching
HELL, HOME of ALLAH:VISION of HELL
AMERICA WILL BURN Vision : Romanian prophet Dumitru Duduman
VISIONS, Dreams of Ed Waldon
EVIL RISING, Ed Waldon vision August 2006:
Tower, Angels, Twins, Dec 23, 2005:
Wagon Wheel, Springfield Earthquake Vision:
Spider, Octopus VISIONS of 8 cities:
FRUIT BOWL Vision 2005 - FULFILLED by Hurricane Katrina:
THIS IS THE JUDGMENT
that the Light has come into the world,
and men loved the darkness rather than the Light,
for their deeds were evil.
GOD so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have
Eternal LIFE. For God did not send his Son into the world
to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
He who believes in Him is not judged;
he who does not believe has been judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only
begotten Son of God. John 3:16-19
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